I applied Bio Spot to both of my dogs. one is having an adverse skin reaction to the area the product was applied. she is constantly trying to scratch the area and when you touch it, her skin literally crawls and she turns into your hand and tries to scratch. I tried washing the product off but that did not lessen her discomfort. I called Farnham and they said to try giving her a bath with Dawn Dishwashing liquid. I called my vet and he also suggested using some cortaid on the area.
Windy 11/2/04
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At the end of September my Husband was laded off from his job and I was trying to save us money, so I went to our local Wal-Mart store and bought {Zodiac - Flea and tick} Spot On to treat all 6 of my inside cats. After applying it to all six cats - 2 hours later I found one of the cats in the middle of my dinning room floor having a seizure. I called my Vet. and he suggested that I wash the cat and if that did not help to take it to the Animal Hospital because it was a Sunday afternoon. She did not stop her seizures so we drove 1 hour to the nearest Animal Hospital. They said that she would have to stay over night for observation and more medication. We left her there and drove 1 hour back home to find that the other 5 cats were now having seizures. We had to drive back again 1 hour to the Animal Hospital with the remaining 5 cats. All had to stay over night and the vet bill was over $800.00 and I was trying to save us money, but for a product that cost $4.00 it cost us $800.00 and almost lost all 6 cats.
The animal hospital took blood samples, hair samples and the containers of Zodiac and sent them to the poison control. I have spoke to Zodiac and they do not want to pay for the vet bills. Their reasons were - that they have no records of this ever happening and that it could not have been their product that caused this. They also said that since I did not follow the directions on the back of the box and used a full tube of their product on each cat that I have broken a federal law and they will not pay for it. I was to use a full tube of their product on each cat. My cats are very small cats and I have never used a full dosages of anything on them. All your stories will help us in our fight against this company. All our cats lived through this, but we have one that will never be the same. Her days are spent just sitting and looking as if she has no idea where she is. She has trouble with walking. This is a fight that I will fight to the end. I never will buy anything for my cats from a chain store again. We are fighting with Zodiac now and will not give up until something is done.
Mrs. F 11/2/04
Well it has been several weeks and we finally spoke to Zodiac and they are not going to pay our vet bills. They did their testing and found Pyrithoid in the tubs and also in the hair samples. They are saying that it did not come from their product, that they also tested the lot that the product came from and there were no traces of Pyrithoid in that lot, but yet their test results show it in the cats hair and the tubes that were sent to their test labs. (They are trying to say that we were the ones that put the wrong product on all 6 of our cats that we love) . They are not going to take any responsibility and basiclly are saying that the Pyrithoid did not come from their company and that it had to come from another source - poss. our home or the animal clinic. That is the only other places the product was at besides their own lab where the testing was done. It has been a big mess and we don't know where to go from here. I guess that were are just out the $800.00 and have to deal with one of the cats that will never be the same. Again, Zodiac just got away with it!! We can't afford to get a Lawyer, because my husband was layed off from his job (which is why I went to Walmart and purchased the Zodiac product, to save us money) and I only have a part time job, which is just paying our bills with the unemployment checks. I just want to tell everyone I can "PLEASE do not use over the counter products on your cats or dogs!!!!" Go to the vet and get Frontline. I have always used Frontline and have never had a problem.
Mrs. F 11/29/04
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Do you have an phone number where you can reach Farnam inc? I used it on my little maltese, Sammy, before reading your website. He had the shakes, was running around the house and seemed very high strung. I washed it off before I went to bed, and he seems a little better today, but he's just laying around, not too active and still a little shaky. I want to contact the company and will contact the EPA. I feel terrible......
Jill 11/5/04
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I read your information regarding Bio Spot. I went to a well supplied Pet Store and they only sold Bio Spot for Cats, they did not carry any other kind.
I am sad to say that my pretty cat became very ill after using this product and I had to put her to sleep yesterday.
I trusted the pet store to provide quality products, but once again it shows that you cannot trust anyone. These companies are only interested in making money.
Karen 11/5/04
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WE HAVE A LITTLE CHIWAWAUGH DOG WEIGHING ABOUT 2 POUNDS . I NOTICED AFTER I PUT BIO SPOT FLEA KILLER ON HER AS PRESCRIBED SHE BEGAN TO RUN AROUND SCRUBBING ON THE FLOOR TRYING TO GET IT OFF OF HER. THEN IN 10 MINUTES SHE BEGAN TO HAVE UNCONTROLLABLE TWITCHING IN HER LEGS AND EARS. THEN SHE BECAME DESPONDENT AND HER EYES GOT GLASSY LOOKING. I KNEW IF I DID NOT GET IT OFF HER SHE WAS GOING TO DIE. SO I WASHED HER IN DAWN A COUPLE OF TIMES IN ABOUT AN HOUR SHE BEGAN TO COME BACK TO HER SELF. NEEDLESS TO SAY IT WAS A SCARRY TIME FOR TWO DAYS. THE NEXT DAY WE CALLED THE VET AND SHE STATED SHE HATED THAT STUFF AND HAS OR NEVER RECOMMEND USING IT ON ANY DOG.
MASON 11/7/04
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My 2.5 year old male miniature schnauzer had a very severe almost fatal allergic reaction to Advantix. It was only after reading the messages posted on your web site that we realized what was going on. We had an almost identical experience to that described by another person. We would like to thank you both for the details which were really helpful to us.
We were switched from Frontline to Advantix when we went to the vets office for a refill. We were told that it was more effective. We did not notice any reaction after the first application. The second application was accidentally washed off almost immediately by my daughter because she thought the dog needed a bath. The real trouble happened after the third application. Soon after the product was applied the dog seemed 'tired' and 'not himself'. After several days we noticed several large bumps down the center of his back (where you apply the product !) and the dog started itching furiously and badly scratched his nose. We took him to the vet who did a blood exam to discover that his white blood (neutrophil) count was slightly elevated and so prescribed antibiotic. It was likely that the lesion on his nose had become infected. He commented that he wasn't sure what the bumps were and that it may have something to do with allergies but opted not to do anything about that possibility. He also had a few smaller 'bumps' appearing on his body. That night his whole body was covered with' small bumps' and the bumps on his back had grown in size and looked like large blisters ranging from 1-3 inches in diameter. He was also becoming rapidly more listless. We took him to the emergency room and they told us he had hives which were particularly bad on his face and ears.
His face was swollen and could barely see out through his eyelids. He also had a fever. They gave him benadryl to take for the hives. They also took a sample from one of the bumps on his back and itseemed 'clean' i.e. no obvious bacterial infection. The following day the dog seemed even more listless and just wanted to lay in a corner and hide. His breathing seemed labored so we took him back to the emergency room and they then gave him predisone. During both visits to the emergency room, the vets told us that he was having a severe allergic reaction to something but had no ideal what it could be. Interestingly, no one seemed to ask if we had applied any product to his skin !. It was at that time that I found your web site and then called the emergency room to say that I thought the problem was Advantix. Since the product had been applied before and the problem started apparently after several days they were not totally convinced that this was the answer. The other possibility that was discussed was skin carcinoma. This seemed unlikely since all this trouble had happened within 48 hours. The vet in the emergency room suggested I call Bayer to report the problem which I did. The consumer representative said that I could not be sure that it was the product although a small number of animals are sensitive to the drug, just as they could be sensitive to any other thing. I then received 2 follow up calls from Bayer for an update on the dog. Each time they seemed to focus on the lesions on his ears and face which were hives rather that the large 'blisters' on his back. I was told by a Bayer representative that antibiotics, benadryl and predisone were the best treatment.
The dog was listless for more than one week. We were convinced that he was not going to survive and none of the vets seemed to know that either. We had more blood work and urine analysis done which were all normal, except again a higher white blood cell count likely from the wound on his nose being infected. After trying to sustain the dog with food and water for more than a week, he finally started eating and drinking voluntarily. Each day small improvements were made and he then started behaving more normally. The large blisters eventually dried up and fell off. The hives also cleared up and his skin was dry and flakey there. He has lost a lot of hair especially on the large bumps on his back and also on his face, around his eyes where the hives were worst and also on his nose and tail where he had attempted to itch and injured badly. We are now almost 3 weeks after this whole ordeal started. He had some trouble with the extended course of antibiotics and started vomiting for a few days. That seems to have stopped now after the antibiotics were stopped. We took him to the vet who was pleased with the improvements in his skin - obviously not skin carcinoma after all. We are not sure if the hair will return.
I complained to Bayer about the toxicity of their product and all the trauma to the dog and to our family that it caused, not to mention the hundreds in dollars that we paid in visits to the emergency room and tests. They were reluctant to admit that their product was the problem again mentioning the lesions on the ears and nose which seemed more indicative of autoimmunity !!! I am not sure at this point if I want to push this any further by sending reports from all the visits to the vets office and emergency room. I am also reluctant to put any other tick product on my dog.
I did mention to the Bayer representative that I had seen reports on the internet which documented adverse reactions to Advantix. The response I got was "you can find reports of alien sightings on the internet too..."
Tilde 11/7/04
Seems most vets are either not aware of these issues or are reluctant to accept them. At least 4different veterinarians have examined our dog and admit that the location of the lesions on his back are uncanny but still feel that reaction to Advantix is unlikely because of the extensive use and no similar adverse reactions.
Tilde 11/8/04
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Last night an adopter called me in a panic; she had applied Bio-Spot (flea control) to her 8 month cat. After 20 minutes, "Layla" went into what appeared to be convulsions. A call to the vet gave the suggestion to wash the product off the cat. She improved for a few minutes and then again went into convulsions and began vomiting.
Layla was rushed to an Emergency Vet Service. They explained that Layla was having muscle spams that she could not control. They gave her a muscle relaxer and several injections. They suggested keeping her overnight but the adopter - who is disabled and unemployed - was unable to afford the extra charge. Layla will see her regular vet today.
What is most disturbing is that the vet at Emergency told the adopter that they have at least 10 cases a week like this, the result of Bio-Spot and Hartz products. They advised the adopter to contact Bio-Spot and submit all of her vet bills for reimbursement.
Jennifer 11/8/04
Paws and Claws Society
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Yesterday (Sun. Nov. 7, 2004) I noticed my rotty, Cody, was itching so I put Bio-Spot on him. I had used it over the summer months and he had a slight reaction to it, but nothing of concern. This time he acted very strangely. Within 1/2 hr. of putting the Bio-Spot on him he began running around the house, up and down the steps and seemed not to be able to get comfortable. This morning, my husband was off of work. He called me at work to say he was taking Cody to the vet because now kept shaking his head and would not allow my husband to touch his ears. The vet looked in his ears and said they were a bit red, but didn't seem to have an infection. They really couldn't find anything wrong with him so they took blood tests and also wanted to take x-rays, but my husband said no to the x-rays. I called the vet back and told them it was not Frontline that I used, but Bio-Spot and they said well that's the problem. Do not use this product again. It is not FDA approved. I will be getting in touch with Farnam about this terrible product.
Trish 11/8/04
I did get in touch with Farnam and they have no problem with reimbursing me the veterinary expenses. They told me if I have any future bills to also send them to Farnam for reimbursement. They have been very cooperative and very concerned.
When I got up this morning, Cody was back to normal, thank goodness.
Trish 11/9/04
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I have a long haired kitten who had received Advantage flea treatment from the vet, and when it was time to treat him again, I decided to go the inexpensive route - BioSpot. I bought the appropriate product for kittens, read the instructions, and applied it as directed. Almost immediately, he hid under a piece of furniture and wouldn't come out. Later that day he wouldn't eat or drink, and was shaking and trembling. I couldn't tell if he was afraid, sick, in pain, or about to have a seizure. Fortunately, I talked with a friend who runs a cat rescue and she told me to give him a bath immediately. I did, and although it took him 2 days to get back to normal, he began to eat again. Now, 10 days later, he has what looks like burn marks where the BioSpot was applied, and the fur has fallen out in that area. I am furious with myself for having trusted BioSpot, but I am even more angry at the producers of BioSpot for putting this product on the market. If my friend had not told me to bathe my kitten, he probably would be dead by now. This is a very bad product.
Diane 11/9/04
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My 12 year old Laso/Maltese had a seizure about a month ago as a matter of fact she had 3 within 4 hours. The vet could find nothing wrong with her. Thank you for this info because now I know what caused it. I found the Bio Spot at Pet Supermarket and thought I would give it a try since it seemed the fleas were immune to Frontline. I have used it only once since her original seizure and she had another one last week. The vet still has nothing.
Tracee 11/10/04
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I had a Dalmatian that had a severe illness which came on quickly and mysteriously a year and a half ago. His back legs went completely paralyzed, and he couldn't move. He just laid on a blanket and was urinating all over himself to boot. He couldn't even get up to eat or drink. He was completely out of it.
I think I have discovered what happened now thanks to your site. I had bathed him and put the Bio-Spot on him a mere 2 hours before his illness began. Just as the pet lovers on your site stated, I had no idea what was wrong with Barkley beings as he was as healthy as a horse previous to this. Upon taking him to the emergency vet for blood work, etc, they also found NOTHING to provoke his paralysis. He was given some meds, and returned to normal within 24 hours, thank God. I am certain now that I have found the answer almost a year and a half later thanks to you! After his reaction and illness, he had no bathing with anything other than baby shampoo, as I was afraid that I had inadvertently done something to poison him by getting the shampoo in his face.
After finding your site tonight, and putting 2 and 2 together, I now realize it was the Bio-Spot that I had tried to save money on and used after being given a one dose "vial" by a friend of mine. After that episode and his emergency visit to the vet, I purchased his usual pack of Advantage and never had another problem. I am going to email everyone I know who has a dog or cat and let them know about the hazards of Bio-Spot.
Unfortunately, I lost Barkley to a house fire last November and miss him with all my heart. But my new Dalmatian, Maggie, will NEVER have that product given to her. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the information!! You just may have saved me from loosing another child...
Deby 11/10/04
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I need to know if the latest "Frontline Plus" for dogs is ok to use on my Yellow Lab? She had been using this type and brand for 7 years but, recently with my latest "Frontline Plus" flea & tick controller, Haley has had 2 seizures within less than 30 days, is always sleepy (Much more than usual), and drools some now but, never had before! This new "Frontline Plus" has "fipronil" & "(S)-methoprene" in it as active ingredients. What should I do? Should I try garlic pills or drops? If so, how much? or what else? Please help me figure out what to do for Haley!
John 11/12/04
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I used Bio Spot on my cat. She is 15 years old & 2 days later my Fiancé found her visibly shaking & "twitching" on the floor. Barely unable to get up to use the bathroom. He watched over her most of the afternoon until I came home & we immediately raced her to the Emergency Vet. She was placed on IV's & is being monitored as I type this. The think she has a good chance of surviving, 400.00 later!! I will never use this stuff on any of my animals again. I will stick to the tried & true - Advantage! It is worth the extra money not to fork out 400.00 for emergency bills when this happens to another pet on mine because this product isn't tested or regulated properly. I hope anyone reading this will think twice before buying this product for their family pet because it is "cheaper" than the other products tested by the FDA.
Anabel 11/12/04
Advantage is NOT regulated by the FDA, it's regulated by the EPA. Many vets believe that products like Advantage and Frontline are safer than the over-the-counter flea products, which may be true, but they still contain pesticide and can cause severe adverse reactions (especially in older pets).
James TerBush
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I was looking for possible reasons why my cat died and found your information. I wish I had seen it before I had applied BioSpot to may cat. I was out of town for a funeral and my daughter was watching my cats. She applied BioSpot to my cats, Lucky and Gizmo. Lucky was a Russian Blue and small for her age, only 4.5 lbs. Gizmo is a 9 month old Manx and weighs 10 lbs. When my daughter went to feed them the next day after she had applied the BioSpot, Lucky was dead on the floor. This is appalling. There are no warnings on the label that say BioSpot may kill your pet. She can't be replaced.
I had Lucky from the time she was a small kitten. I miss her very much. And if you really must know, the BioSpot did not kill all the fleas on Gizmo. I am afraid to put anything on him. I have been giving him baths with tea tree shampoo and combing the fleas out. Each time there are fewer, but I will check the other websites for a natural deterrent for fleas.
Thank you for your website and information. BioSpot needs to be taken off the market.
Janet 11/13/04
I have an 18 month old dog named "Fat Daddy". I went to a pet store and asked an employee what she recommended for fleas. She wasn't for sure so we went to the Groomer and she recommended Bio Spot. So I thought I would give Bio Spot a try. Fat Daddy's first treatment went fine. When it was time for his next treatment I done everything the same as before. Shortly after I applied Bio Spot my dog started to shake and run around the house continuously. I really didn't think anything of it. I just thought he was nervous on how the treatment was feeling on this coat. This was around 10:30pm. So I went to bed. I woke around 3:30am. Fat Daddy was by my door. I went to make sure everything was OK and noticed that he could not walk right. I called his name and he was very different on responding. At first I thought maybe he hurt himself running around. Not until my husband woke up 1 hour later that he said it looks like his hind legs are asleep. He read the package to check the adverse affects. I logged onto Bio Spot alert website. The first thing I read was about the Dalmatian. I got as far as bathing the animal. I immediately got Fat Daddy in the tub and washed his fur with my shampoo and plenty of water. This seemed to help a little.
I kept my daughters home from school that day so my dog would not be alone. Around noon my daughter called and informed me that he was still walking a bit funny. I left work and took him to the vet. My vet just heard the word Bio Spot and shook his head. I asked have you heard of this. He informed me that he had just recently had 4 other cases of this and some of the other animals were not as lucky as mine. My vet told me that Bio Spot is a pesticide. It gets into the bloodstream and does severe damage. He also told me that I was lucky to find out what to do on the website. I believe this website saved my dog. I find it hard to believe that this product is still on the shelves.
I want to Thank You for informing everyone out there about these kind of things. Some people out there have animals that don't care. I for one treat Fat Daddy very well.
Margaret 11/13/04
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When I got my puppy he was covered in fleas, but was far too young for flea killer of any kind. I gave him a bath, and rinsed him in vinegar, gave a last rinse, brushed him off and the fleas were nearly gone. After 14 days, the life cycle of the flea, there were no signs of them anywhere in my house. Instead of using a new vacuum bag every time you vacuum, so expensive, put moth balls in your vacuum bag. It also kills fleas, and they are a lot cheaper then vacuum bags. The idea to use vinegar was given to me by my step mom who grew up on a ranch, and her parents used the vinegar because it got too expensive to use commercial products on all of the animals.
Put a little white vinegar in the water bowl everyday, it works on cats and dogs. The vinegar makes the sweat smell really bad to all blood sucking bugs, fleas, ticks, mosquitoes. You can also put 1 part vinegar to 2 parts water in a spray bottle and spray your dog, his bedding, your floors-anything he comes into contact with. Spray everyday for 14 days, then once or twice a week after that. The vinegar not only repels the bugs, it kills all puppy smells. The vinegar smell goes away after half an hour orso. You can also use it if your dog has an accident on your floor. The vinegar deodorizes and cleans away all sign of the mistake. It also makes their coat very shiny. I'm glad that I haven't had any problems like the people on your web site. I wouldn't go the class action law suit route, the lawyers will make more then you, and it won't replace your dogs. However, start contacting the media, consumer groups, and dog associations. If you can provide people with the information the news will spread and trust me some one will take notice. You can also try writing to the presidents of the companies, those who make it and those who carry it, on brightly colored paper, never white. You can't miss neon orange on a desk covered in white papers.
I hope this has been of some help to you and others. I hope that this will stop soon, and they begin to take responsibility for the actions of their products.
Cherie 11/15/04
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This is a copy of the letter I have sent to the EPA. I wish I had found your website sooner and THANK YOU for publishing it! I have called my vet and she is giving me a letter of documentation as I plan to contact BioSpot and request reimbursement for the vet bill. I live on a very limited income due to a disability so IF they reimburse me it will be a blessing.
"In August, according to the directions on the package, I used BioSpot for Cats on my 2 cats. Within a day I noticed they were acting funny, didn't want to be petted, held or touched and were not eating. Then came the excessive drooling, they became lethargic, vomited, and were meowing and carrying on. Next thing I know Dolly had an approximately 4" spot as bald as a baby's behind! The area was red and hot to the touch, it looked like a toxic burn. Something told me to bath them, an impossible feat but I managed to give each of them a "sponge bath" and it probably saved their lives. The next day they had not improved so I called the vet and was told it was probably a reaction to the BioSpot so I immediately loaded them in the car and took them in. They were at the vet all day and it ended up costing me $162 for the anti-inflammatory injections, topical treatment and bathing. Fortunately the vet was kind enough to set me up on a payment plan. Much to my amazement she also told me about the toxicity of BioSpot and told me I was very fortunate because the next thing would have been seizures and probably death.
I have had Scooter for 5 years and Dolly for 2.5 years, they have been my constant companions and are like my children. You can not even imagine the anguish this ordeal put me thru nor the physical pain my cats endured.
It's been 3 months and both cats have very thin hair around their ears and eyes. Neither of them, but especially Scooter, have the same personality as before this incident. Scooter still does not look healthy, his coat is dull and he has become very anti-social. Dolly is doing much better and her bald spot is finally filling in."
Sue 11/18/04
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Just last night my 1 year old rescue had a horrible reaction to Bio Spot. The reaction was not as severe as Hamish's but still very traumatic for me and the dog. After applying the flea preventative about 2 minutes elapsed and Gracie's body was swollen and covered with hives. I tried to wipe it off and then wash it off. But, I couldn't stop the allergic reaction fast enough, so I called the veterinarian and ran over there. Luckily, she didn't have any other serious reactions. She was given two shots of steroids and given a thorough bath. Finally, an hour later and $120.00 lighter we went home. I'm a fortunate pet owner to have just a mild response to this medication. My heart goes out to you and all other "mom's" and "dad's" who go through this kind of ordeal.
Morgan 11/23/04
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I wish I would have found this site a year ago... I had used Bio Spot for 5 years. Never had any problems with my 2 dogs and they never had a flea on them. I thought this product was so great. It worked great and I didn't have to spend a fortune. Then one day about a year ago, my five year old Husky/Lab mix fell to the ground. His legs were kicking, eyes wide open and he was foaming at the mouth. My husband tried to calm him by stroking his fur and talking to him but Nikki started to growl. Nikki is the sweetest dog and has never ever growled at anyone before. I was at work and unable to come home. I felt awful because he is my big baby and he has chosen me to be his favorite. When I got home from work 4 hours later he was completely fine but we took him to the vet so they could check him out. They did the blood test and told us that he seemed fine. The vet said there were so many things that could trigger a seizure.
It took me a few months to put two and two together. Once a month I applied Bio Spot to my 2 dogs. My husky seemed to have a seizure once a month but my other dog who is a Terrier/Bassett Hound mix never had a problem. I just thought it was Nikki, and for some reason, after never having any problems until he turned 5 years old, he was now having the terrible seizures.
Then, one day my husband was watching the news and he said that they reported something about a flea killing product maybe giving dogs seizures. He didn't catch the whole story and I watched the news later to see if they reported the information again, but they did not. Well, just the little bit of info I did get made me start to wonder... This stuff I am putting on my dogs is a chemical. How healthy could that be. I always wore gloves when putting it on my pets. If I don't want it on me, why would I put it on them?
At that minute, I threw away the other 4 packets that I had left. I will never use any type of chemical on my pets again. Luckily I have a small yard and I am going to find another alternative to control the flea problem. I feel horrible for doing this to my big baby Nikki.
April 11/27/04
P.S. I did not mention that my Nikki stop having his seizures right after trashing the Bio Spot...
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I stumbled across your web site while searching for anything I could do to try to help my poor cat Lucy who is having a reaction to Hartz Advanced Care Brand Flea & Tick Drops + 4 in 1. Approximately 10 hours after applying the product strictly according to package directions she started with lethargy rapidly progressing to fine chilling like tremors then to gross tremors, poor motor control and rear quarters falling to one side when attempting to walk. I am an RN and immediately recognized these symptoms as being consistent with pesticide poisoning. I quickly washed her thoroughly with Dawn dish soap took measures to keep her warm and decrease shock symptoms and within 30 mins she has begun to show signs of improvement. I am however cautiously optimistic at best and will continue close assessment and appropriate interventions. I should like those who read this to be very aware that this was the SECOND time I have used the same product on the same cat. I had applied the first dose 46 days before. She showed no symptoms at all the first use which is common. These things are many times a cumulative affect. Meaning if the minor signs are ignored and the product is continued to be used, even if in accordance to package directions, the next dosage will result in significantly more severe reaction and higher likelihood of mortality. I will never be using these types of products on my pets again. Not even the Frontline prescribed by my vet for our 2 dogs. I will research and use only holistic methods of pest control from now on. I am also very concerned of the hazardous implications for humans coming into contact with animals treated with these products especially young children and the elderly. How many seizure disorders do we see in children that are covertly caused by contact with such products. What about those children treated for lice by applying prescribed or over the counter medications containing permethrin? A pesticide applied directly to their head thus brain! I'm sick just thinking about it all.
Johnna 11/28/04